March 21, 2002
Great post-------remember Franz stood up and said "these brothers are in their positions of oversight NOT because because of their spiritual qualifcations, but because of their secular abilitys!" that was the only thing that "saved" us from all getting kicked out. Knorr said "I want an investigation" How do the boys on top clean house? that can't be done, that would shake the pillars of the org. Out of 50 overseers, Ken Doweling was the only guy they hauled on the carpet. G. Couch and Bob Lang {the guy's who appointed him as overseer} removed him as laundry overseer, but by the time I left in 1974 he was back on top in the bethel office, just can't keep a good man down.
P.S by the time I left in the spring of 1974 the average stay of a bethelite was 4 months, they were calling in guys who nevered pioneered.
new boy
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The Real Meaning of Bethel/1971
by metatron innew boy posted information about an event at bethel that occured.
many years ago - that you won't read about in any publication -.
an internal reform movement led by three ex-circuit overseers.
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GOVERNING BODY SAID $ IS GOD'S SPIRIT
by new boy ina yew years ago i was chating with lyman swingle {gb} joking around i said, i come up with a great idea to save the society millions of dollars "and what is that?
" lyman said "well if all the brothers could do the hot bunk system, like they due on submarines, where one person is on a 12 hour shift, the other could sleep in his bed, end of the shift they switch places, the bed is always in use, the society could sell off half its buildings!
" he laughed and said "we have always felt that god's spirit would give us the money to do what we needed to do, no money no spirit!
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new boy
A yew years ago I was chating with Lyman Swingle {GB} Joking around I said, I come up with a great idea to save the society millions of dollars "and what is that?" Lyman said "well if all the brothers could do the hot bunk system, like they due on submarines, where one person is on a 12 hour shift, the other could sleep in his bed, end of the shift they switch places, the bed is always in use, the society could sell off half its buildings!" He laughed and said "We have always felt that God's spirit would give us the money to do what we needed to do, no money NO spirit!"-----------maybe he could see into the future?
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DOES ANYONE REMEMBER BLACK SEPT. 1971 N.Y.BETHEL
by new boy inthat was when 200 brother's went to 3 c.o.s at bethel to ask for justice, beccause their overseers where doing unscriptual actives!!!
i was there to tell them of what my overseer of the launrdy said to me the statement was "that brother over there {pointing to gary kennedy} will die at armagedon, because of his actions!
do you believe that keith?
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The book that only bethelites get is named "living together in peace and unity" The 3 "freds" are Fred Barnes {the guy who worked on the gather who got the heart attact} Fred Hillmo, and Fred Ferdean{spelling?] P.S. Hay satan head if you don't like my posts don't read them!
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DOES ANYONE REMEMBER BLACK SEPT. 1971 N.Y.BETHEL
by new boy inthat was when 200 brother's went to 3 c.o.s at bethel to ask for justice, beccause their overseers where doing unscriptual actives!!!
i was there to tell them of what my overseer of the launrdy said to me the statement was "that brother over there {pointing to gary kennedy} will die at armagedon, because of his actions!
do you believe that keith?
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THAT WAS WHEN 200 BROTHER'S WENT TO 3 C.O.S AT BETHEL TO ASK FOR JUSTICE, BECCAUSE THEIR OVERSEERS WHERE DOING UNSCRIPTUAL ACTIVES!!! I WAS THERE TO TELL THEM OF WHAT MY OVERSEER OF THE LAUNRDY SAID TO ME THE STATEMENT WAS "THAT BROTHER OVER THERE {POINTING TO GARY KENNEDY} WILL DIE AT ARMAGEDON, BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS! DO YOU BELIEVE THAT KEITH?" I BEING IN FEAR OF MAN SAID " YES BROTHER OVERSEER". "GOOD HE SAID I WANT YOU TO REPORT TO ME ANYTHING WE CAN GET ON HIM SO WE CAN KICK HIM OUT!"------------THE UNITY BOOK {THE BOOK THAT NEW BETHELITES GET TO READ WHEN THEY GET THERE, AND MUST BE GIVEN BACK WHEN YOU LEAVE} STATES "ALL BETHELITES MUST OBEY THEIR OVERSEERS IN ALL THINGS, ITS NOT YOUR PLACE TO QUESTION THEIR ORDERS"-----------------AND IF YOU THING THATS NOT TRUE TRY GOING OVER THEIR HEADS TO THE BROTHER OVER THEM. THE FIRST THING THEY ASK YOU IS "THAT BROTHER HAS BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE NEWBOY 6 MONTHS?" END CONVERSATION!!!
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Careers after the Truth
by Demitrius ini assume that there are people out there who feel the same way as me.
such as when they were growing up in the 'truth', did they forego career/college/university because the new system was just around the corner?.
now i look back and regret the waste.
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Demitrius, -------------are you the same Demitrius on the waiter crew, in the "70's" N.Y bethel?------------Keith C.
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The MicroManaged Flock
by metatron inone of the things that would frustrate and offend me as an.
elder was the society's endless presumption that they could.
micromanage their way out of trouble.
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THE MORE THEY TRY TO HOLD ON, THE MORE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, 6 MONTHS AGO THE C.O. GAVE A TALK ABOUT THE EVILS OF WATCHING FOOTBALL AND NOT WEARING A BASEBALL CAP ON BACKWARDS ON THEIR HEAD! MY KID'S SAID "IS HE KIDDING ELDER'S KIDS ARE DRINKING, SCREWING, AND SMOKING AND HE TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL CAPS? THIS BORG IS FALLING APART FROM THE BOTTOM UP, THEY ARE LOSING THE NEXT GENERATION. THE ARE NOT BUYING THE SAME BULL SHIT, MY GENERATION DID. THESE KID'S WILL NOT BE THERE 5 YEARS FROM NOW!
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What - if any - Religon are you now practicing?
by lydia ini know this seems like a dumb subject.. but i often wonder if many of us still believe and feel the need to worship - and not the borg either .
so here is a poll.... what religious orginization - if any - are you affiliated ( this does not mean you had to join it)?.
or - do you feel that everything is wrong due to the borg..and will you ever consider going to an organized religon again??.
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WHY TRADE ONE DOGMA FOR ANOTHER? THE BOOK THAT CHANGED MY LIFE IS "FREINDSHIP WITH GOD" BY WALSH---------EVERY QUESTION ABOUT GOD, AND THE NATURE OF OUR WORLD NOW, AND THE ONE THAT IS COMING IS ANSWERED!
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PRESS ROOM OVERSEER KILLS HIMSELF?
by new boy indoes many one have more info.
about richard wheellock's death?
i heard he had a nervous breakdown after his wife died, they shipped him off to the farm, he set around for months in a bathrobe, never saying a word.
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to DINO--------- thanks for the conformation!!! I always wondered, I ended up in the press room before I left in 1974, I never really cared for Richard, hopfully he has found peace were ever he is!
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What should I do?
by Shimmer ini just got a call from a very sweet sister from the kingdom hall, telling me that i am her householder for her talk tomorrow night.
i have not been to a meeting since november.
i have managed to avoid elder's calls.
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YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE. I DA MYSELF IN SEPT. AFTER 52 YEARS OF WANTING TO KEEP EVERONE HAPPY. IN THE END NO ONE HAS HAPPY ME INCLUDED. YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS,1. MOVE AWAY AND START A NEW LIFE {PRETEND}.OR 2. STAY WERE YOU ARE AND START A NEW LIVE, TURN YOUR LETTER IN AND TAKE THE HIT. YOU WILL BE THE BIG NEWS FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS UNTIL THE NEXT PERSON TAKES THE COURAGEOUS MOVE! AFTER AWILE EITHER OPTION WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE!---------BUT ONE WILL GIVE YOU SELF RESPECT!!! ------------------------------------P.S MY SORY IS ON FREEMINDS.COM UNDER EXBETHELITES
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PRESS ROOM OVERSEER KILLS HIMSELF?
by new boy indoes many one have more info.
about richard wheellock's death?
i heard he had a nervous breakdown after his wife died, they shipped him off to the farm, he set around for months in a bathrobe, never saying a word.
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DOES MANY ONE HAVE MORE INFO. ABOUT RICHARD WHEELLOCK'S DEATH? I HEARD HE HAD A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN AFTER HIS WIFE DIED, THEY SHIPPED HIM OFF TO THE FARM, HE SET AROUND FOR MONTHS IN A BATHROBE, NEVER SAYING A WORD. I HEARD THAT ONE DAY THEY CAME IN HIS ROOM THE WINDOW OPEN, HE WAS ON THE PAYMENT OUTSIDE. JUMPED? PLEASE UPDATE.